and paul ryan we talking to huckabee, does paul ryan run the risk of being too wonky and using charts and graphs and getting buried in the numbers, the weeds so to speak? >> i don't think so. i mean, my experience with him both interviewing him here on the show and also just in knowing him for a number of years, he understands the big themes. i don't think he's going to get down into baselines and things like that. having said that, you know, he's -- he has proposed a number of budgets with very he tough budget cuts offer the years that in fact romney has walked away from, you can be sure that biden is going to try to hold him accountable for those things even though romney is not proposing them and to try to portray ryan as kind of out of touch conservative extremist. so it's going to be interesting to see how he handles some of his own proposals no longer the proposals of the romney team. >> and chris apro poe of what you're saying, and few are stronger than joe biden knows how to connect with a crowd and you pointed out his ratings during the convention were extremely high. do you